Saturday, April 1, 2017

Freeper economics.

Robert Reich talks some Keynsian economics (i.e. - "The real job creators are the vast middle class and the poor," "The free market doesn’t exist in nature. It’s created and enforced by government."

Freepers take him on. I'll skip the endless ad-hominems (I take it he's not a tall man?) and go straight to the conservative claptrap and liberal strawmen:

zzwhale knows its all Communism, and will never work!
what will reich be when he grows up......
show me one place in the world where communism works to the benefit of the masss.....
it is a all fairey tales and utopian make believe....

the ivory tower commies have caused more death and destruciton than any other force in the world but the young and stupid keep believin the bs and drinkin the kool aid...
PenguinM has clearly thought this out:
The three biggest myths....
1 - Government involvement helps (aka stimulus)
2 - Government regulations work (yeah, to choke growth)
3 - Taxes make it fair (more choking)

What a nasty little troll Reich is.
4rcane also refrains from anything like an actual explanation:
the myth is that spending creates job
as opposed to investing create jobs
They’re not the same
T-Bird45 doesn't need a PhD to call this guy dumb without bothering to engage any arguments at all!
In what world can an economics Ph.D. be so flamingly ignorant and obtuse, especially about his first “point?” My only answer to that is that he’s never held a real job in his life so he has no insight to how things work.
RWB Patriot says fuck the middle class and poor:
1. The “job creators” are CEOs, corporations, and the rich, whose taxes must be low in order to induce them to create more jobs. Rubbish. The real job creators are the vast middle class and the poor, whose spending induces businesses to create jobs. Which is why raising the minimum wage, extending overtime protection, enlarging the Earned Income Tax Credit, and reducing middle-class taxes are all necessary.”

Two words, @$$hole:

Atlas Shrugged
It's interesting that Freepers have taken to criticizing the crony capitalistic rich, but will return to the fold in a heartbeat.

Pollster1 explains that the global economy means demand doesn't matter, and that free markets exist, because most people are full of integrity.
Spending by the working class and the poor creates demand, which is different from jobs, unless you want to count the jobs created in China and Indonesia. It’s the little guy working 80 hours a week who creates jobs as he hires people to fill the roles he has created.

The free market is what exists in nature when both sides have the integrity to choose voluntary exchange and the power to refuse outside compulsion. Government is force, the opposite of freedom. We need some government to protect against those with no integrity, but today’s bloated FedGov has become exactly what a limited constitutional government was supposed to protect the people against.
rlmorel cites 'tons of evidence'
There are tons of evidence that “economists” like him are WRONG, and Economists like Thomas Sowell are RIGHT, but the failure of socialism and all forms of wealth redistribution do not deter liberals one single bit.

If it doesn’t work, nobody calls them on it, it isn’t recorded for future reference, the failure of liberal economic policies simply goes down the memory hole, chalked up as wrong time/plan/leadership/execution/funding, etc.

They NEVER, even for one gazillionth of a second, consider that the fundamental idea of theirs, that wealth production lies DEFINITIVELY in the hands of each worker, and not in any form in the people who take chances, invest their money and build a business.

Amazing.

I detest liberals and everything about them.
rlmorel goes on to explain what liberals think:
Liberals simply don’t believe that wealth can be “created”. They think the concept is absurd.

We know that wealth CAN be created from an idea.

To liberals, the fact that wealth can spring from an idea and hard work is anathema.

In their mind, it does so only at the grace of the government.

We see it happening in SPITE of the government.
Jack Hammer on that big free-market guy, Lenin!
“The free market doesn’t exist in nature. It’s created and enforced by government.”

Not origial with Reich, and he should say so.

This is a central tenet of Marxism/Leninism, which seems to be Reich’s economic philosophy of choice.

5 comments:

  1. "They NEVER, even for one gazillionth of a second, consider that the fundamental idea of theirs, that wealth production lies DEFINITIVELY in the hands of each worker, and not in any form in the people who take chances, invest their money and build a business."

    This is not a sentence.

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  2. Bill O’Reilly Thrives at Fox News, Even as Harassment Settlements Add Up

    Boomer writes, in part, "The left is on the warpath.
    Yep; and completely unhinged. It appears all sense of decency and honor has been removed from them. They will stop at nothing to torpedo anyone and anything the right does. This is new territory for me. If they have ever gone this nutso before it was either when I wasn't paying attention or before my time.

    My hope is it backfires and causes those who are fence sitting moderates to see just how vile the left has become. It's time to re-open the mental institutions and build hundreds more I fear."

    I give you the party of personal responsibility, ladies and gentlemen. Nothing is ever their fault and it's all some sort of plot.

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  3. Refusing to allow opposing viewpoints argued in good faith onto their website has caused Freepers' debate skills to become weak or non-existent. Their arguments boil down to little more than "old man yells at cloud." If they were to ever venture outside their bubble and try to argue with people in a place where opposing viewpoints are not automatically banned, they would find their arguments would not survive long.

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    1. This is why many of them famously and loudly shun Facebook. They might have to hear something besides their echo, vigorously enforced by wrinklebag mods.

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